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Undressed · Mar 21, 2007, 08:43 AM // 08:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Spectre

I have a bad attitude? yeah? many of us were told there would be a chapter 4. and I was saying my opinion on why I have a bad attitude towards it like you say why you have a positive attitude towards it, so we cant do the same? you have a good attitude...people are allowed to have bad attitude is this your forum? cry cry cry oh noes oh noes i wont play gw2 ever thats right, saying that is not attention seeking its just giving an example of one person who wont play it I also know many others..because of those reasons, but you commenting on it is attention seeking.. cry cry cry so you can say you will definitely play it...and other cant say they definitely wont play? wow...the world revolves around you oh oh noes noes!

The world evolves around those who adapt, and in this case you don't need to adapt because it's an environment you can easily leave, and freely choose to do so. I can't consider your attitude healthy, I am sorry.

Look, I have almost three quarters of the sum to obtain FoW armour, my warrior has all elites, perfect items, a perfect energy set, a perfect health set. She lacks absolutely nothing. It's my favorite character, I can understand your feelings but I don't consider them worth keeping. You need to let go.

Now you can wait 2 years and notice positive/negative changes from announcement to announcement/preview, THEN decide if you grab a copy or you can start mourning the loss over time and lessen your game experience.

You choose.

Shmanka · Mar 21, 2007, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

Anet: ok ok, no gw2

forum posters: OMG WTF ANET, I HATE YOU!!

2 years later...

forum posters: OMG WTF THESE GRAPHICS ARE OUTDATED AND IM BORED OF THE CURRENTPLAYSTYLE, I HATE YOU ANET!!!!! WHY DONT YOU MAKE A NEW GAME, YOU GUYS SUXORS!!!

Anet:....wtf do you people want srsly.

It's called stream, and a continous promise of new games to be added on to your account every 6 months. You can update the engine, we download it. Problem solved. This is why there is no need for "a new game". Anet can't balance crap, or make simple minded decisions, they roll D&D dice with random suggestions and implement them as updates. Therefore they are in this situation where they say "I can't handle it we made too many mistakes already" and call GW1 the red headed step child.

Honestly I have never in my entire life seen such horrible promises backfire on the community, then leave us in the dust. I was there in Diablo II when it said "new runewords every week", I was there when WcIII said "We will balance the Night Elves", yet the funniest thing of all. Blizzard Kept their promises even though they were as late as anyone could possibly imagine, but guildwars won't keep their promise, this is evidence of it. No balance or skill changes, no actual thought put into HA updates and skill mechanics, how long have you all been working on GW2? Before Nightfall? I think so.
Makes sense, understandable why you got rid of half your staff.

This game better be good, or its specs better change. Cause this whole thing is ridiculous what is trying to be shoved down our throats. It has been hours since I have primarily read the thread and article, I'm still furiated as to how stupid this entire ordeal is.

sassoonssamson · Mar 21, 2007, 08:44 AM // 08:44

Expansion ....with GWEN

Good enough for me

Char land Cooooooooollll

GW suprised me over with GW2 and whats planned

Cant wait big party raids , 100+ level caps yeah

So Cooolll
thank you

My compalint is 2008 beta is too far that means the game might be released end of 2008 Too long to wait

Passalus Cercopes · Mar 21, 2007, 08:47 AM // 08:47

well, back to WoW..... until I run out of money again, hehe

sassoonssamson · Mar 21, 2007, 08:47 AM // 08:47

question for gaile

Will I be able to purchase the Expansion through in game store

We dont get copies of GW out here and too much of a headache ordering over ebay

I would prefer to buy it directly within the game

prism2525 · Mar 21, 2007, 08:49 AM // 08:49

IF it DOES turn out very similar to WoW, the fact that it's Fee Free may actually get some WoW players on the GW side. I mean, if both games are the same (as some ppl suggest here - I disagree) why play the one with monthly fees?

sassoonssamson · Mar 21, 2007, 08:50 AM // 08:50

'Click to move' will be abandoned in favor of a more freedom-rich control scheme, including 'jumping, swimming, and sliding'

Destroyable environments?

walmart_player · Mar 21, 2007, 08:51 AM // 08:51

most of the people that like this new GW2 thing are the people that enjoy grinding lvls, PvErs. this is starting to sound like WoW, super high lvl caps, and in WoW the PvP is very very dumb. it is who has the best stuff wins, i think the people that will enjoy this are the people that are to cheap to pay for WoW now.

Mr 1337 · Mar 21, 2007, 08:53 AM // 08:53

well, i think i am one of the few people to say

THANK YOU ANET

they are doing an awesome job and keep this in mind, there are 2 games

Guild Wars
and
Guild Wars 2

All anet are doing is releasing a new game.

And about the EXPANSION,

yey char land, i finally kill those buggers again. And no more worrying about another campign coming out and worrying about learing a profession all over again.

All in all, i cant !@#$en wait to we are all noobs again!

Ninja Spectre · Mar 21, 2007, 08:53 AM // 08:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undressed

The world evolves around those who adapt, and in this case you don't need to adapt because it's an environment you can easily leave, and freely choose to do so. I can't consider your attitude healthy, I am sorry.

Look, I have almost three quarters of the sum to obtain FoW armour, my warrior has all elites, perfect items, a perfect energy set, a perfect health set. She lacks absolutely nothing. It's my favorite character, I can understand your feelings but I don't consider them worth keeping. You need to let go.

Now you can wait 2 years and notice positive/negative changes from announcement to announcement/preview, THEN decide if you grab a copy or you can start mourning the loss over time and lessen your game experience.

You choose.

Im really very healthy thank you very much, and why are you talking about the world evolving now? And guess what I cant consider your attitude healthy.. are you high? your too happy for your own good imo... I can let go...o0...its a game but its not right to be told there will be a chapter 4 and be able to play those characters that you like to play so much and then be told no.<-- look my opinion

Shmanka · Mar 21, 2007, 08:54 AM // 08:54

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Originally Posted by prism2525

IF it DOES turn out very similar to WoW, the fact that it's Fee Free may actually get some WoW players on the GW side. I mean, if both games are the same (as some ppl suggest here - I disagree) why play the one with monthly fees?

Oh I dunno maybe the insane continuos updates and staff that listens to its community over 10% of the time. Also the fact that it has a large player base which makes the social interaction much more valuable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr 1337

All anet are doing is releasing a new game.

That screws every player that has:
A) Bought more then 2 campaigns
B) Bought extra character slots
C) Bought the game for the "6 month" promise
D) Bought the game for its non-grind
E) Bought the game for its unique PvP style
F) Was promised good continued updates
G) Any one who has rank in Heroes Ascent
H) Anyone who has FoW armor
I) Anyone who has worked insanely hard on KoaBD
J) Anyone who thought Gaile spoke the truth

People seem to think this is like some kind of FPS where you go around with a gun and just shoot people, well I hate FPS for that reason there is no evolution or good instructed learning curve or valuable social interaction. I cannot express this enough, Modify my characters max armor here to whatever the hell it is 10000 billion years from now. Say my guy was asked for a second chance at life through the Hall of Heroes, strip him down to level 1 and take away all his skills that you have decided not to keep and give him skill points or pennies or something. There character transfer complete~this is all we want. This allows us to have our names, be on terms with everyone else and continue our characters story and hard work counted towards the vets. This is what I ask. Doesn't take anything more then that.

It definitely doesn't either bother me to have a "descendant" of my previous character yet I think this is just a goatscape out of a tough cookie. I want my character name, I want my guild to still exist, and I want this ridiculous PvE grind for perfection you put into this game worth it for the second. The absolute reason I am on Anet's case is because of this 6 month code they promised, and are obviously ditching out of. You really expect a large player base of us to listen to this anymore? Your vets left, your new players are confused as hell as to why they just purchased 120$ worth of games to keep in pace with the rest of us, and the few of us with 2nd accounts/more character slots just got screwed. Until I see ACTUAL HONEST, CLEAN, FULLY DETAILED responses as to why they decided this character transfer to be a "bad" thing when they made 3 standalone games do this feature already, I will deter from NCsoft, tell my friends to go back and play WoW/whatever else is on the market, and definitely look into a future of FURY or the other 3 competitors this game has on the ball field.

GW2 offers nothing, absolutely nothing GW1 cannot handle. This company completely broke 90% of its promises like a baseball through a glass window. Has obviously not read Sardelac Sanitarium for alot of good ideas, and has definitely not taken good enough initiative to find out what its customers are actually asking for. Go to Jail – Go directly to Jail – Do not pass Go, do not collect $200

Tetris L · Mar 21, 2007, 08:58 AM // 08:58

I just want to say that I enjoyed the read, and that I'm looking forward how it all will come together, both GWEN and GW2.

Call me an ANet fanboy, but I trust in ANet, very much, to make the right decisions to keep the game interesting and challenging for both beginners and veterans. IMO they've done a brilliant job on GW1 so far.

I'll keep playing GW1, I'll probably buy GWEN, I'll probably sign up for GW2 beta, and I'll probably buy GW2. But that's far in the future, so who knows.

<- happy man

CuriousCarrie · Mar 21, 2007, 08:58 AM // 08:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoudeous

the diffrence here being the people that arnt complaing are saying tehy will give the new game a try, while others are saying they wont even try it.

You cant have a very informed opinion on something you havent played. let alone something that is 2 years away.

You can hate the game fine, but hate it in 2 years when you have played it and decided not to like it

to think a game wont change in a 2 year time is foolish, and to base an opinion of a video game on a written preview is even more foolish. all the people on this forum like to jump to conclusions about things its just a bunch of choas

I doubt that is what people are saying. It is meant in a fashion that we were told that we are getting a new chapter and we were happy about it. We want Ch.4. We want to continue playing like we are now. In GW1 with our characters that we have been working 2 long hard years on with our lvl20 caps etc. There is a vast gap between GW and WoW, a gap that the majority of GW players were proud to have standing between them and now Anet are basically saying that they are closing this gap between the two games. Excuse me, why? GW is GW and it is popular, not only because it has no fees, but because it is GW!!!!! It is what it is, because the PvE is what it is, because there is a level cap (thank goodness for lvl20 cap!). WoW is for little children who skip school and have no real life other than to slave at some character that will only be max level after a million years. I, however, DO have a real life, as so do many people. I could well afford to play WoW, but I choose not to. I do not like much, if anything at all, about WoW. And thus far, the description that has been given to us is much like Ninja Spectre told us: World of Guildcraft.

And how do you know that you'll like it, Exoudeous? You haven't played it either! Why are you supporting it so much? Calling people foolish? Ts ts ts... Do you not like GW? Why do you play GW instead of WoW? Is it just because of the fees? I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Undressed

You don't have an opinion, just a bad attitude. "Oh noes, oh noes, I won't play GW2 ever, bye people, bye, please wave, heeeey I am announcing my goodbye. Are you listening? Cry Cry Cry. Please sob with me".

And what are you doing? "Oh look at me! I'm a hero! Flaming Ninja Spectre on a forum and looking cool with my shades

. Everybody lift me into the air as forum hero! Weeee! Look at me! /cheer"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undressed

The world evolves around those who adapt, and in this case you don't need to adapt because it's an environment you can easily leave, and freely choose to do so. I can't consider your attitude healthy, I am sorry.

Well lets see... there are not really many game advancements mention thus far, except maybe graphics... but otherwise they're making the GW version of WoW... oh yay! That's not evolution... Evolving has to do with the word evolution, not only associated with nature. It means to develop and to make something better... umm... lets see... better graphics + Wow gameplay looks more like... oh! Recession to me... not evolution.

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Originally Posted by lifeinthefridge

Well then good for Anet then looks like they'll be the most popular game on the market by your logic. By the way I suggest you get a life or maybe stop posting here if your raging the Guild Wars Franchise.

I think Need for Speed: Carbon is pretty popular. I'd like to see cars in GW2!!! And.. oh!! I know! Lets get some BFG's in there from Q3A... that was popular too. And Half Life! Lets go for a gravity gun and some grenades!

You're posting here too, just as a kind reminder.

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Originally Posted by lifeinthefridge

Another thing i'm sure I have more achievements in this game then you. 8 PvE chars many high titles . Rank 9 pvp title ect ect. Maybe you should learn nothing lasts forever... we all will die someday as will online games. O but look galie has already mentioned that achievements will be transferable.

Well... lets see... I have 8 PVE chars! I have FoW armor on more than one, along with at least 2 15k sets on each char. As for my titles, do Kind of a Big Deal and Legendary Survivor on 2 characters count? I have perfect weapons for each, and a tiger too!!! Oh GG. So my PvE chars, which you refer to as an achievement as well, be transferred into the next game? since "achievements will be transferable"?

What Ninja Spectre is exercising is being a loyal customer. You might think you're all loyal, defending Anet and pretending to be heroes. I think Ninja is right. I for one highly doubt that I will buy GW2. I played GW for a reason, Ninja too. Maybe you should all just reconsider going straight to WoW and playing the real thing? I for one love GW. I love the gameplay! I love the PvE and the PvP and the way things function as a whole. I love the looks and the artwork. I think all of you are getting these posts wrong. Ninja is just trying to make it clear to all Anet workers who are reading this, that they are also losing LOYAL customers. I've bought each chapter and even have Divine Aura. I've watched friends play WoW and each time realized why I love GW... and it's all of those HUGE differences that make GW GW and now WoW.

The Gewch · Mar 21, 2007, 08:59 AM // 08:59

After reading through the forum I have for the first time ever actually experienced the term "Lmao". I'm serious I have no rear end at this point.

I see people flaming about GW2 which is very early in the works and has very few official statements being said about it. The expected release is 2009-10 which is basically GW1's entire lifetime and leaves lots of room for changes and balancing. Eye of the North still wont hit shelves for half a year or so and people are getting bent out of shape on the release after the release.

People are talking about leaving GW so fast due to these changes that wont be seen for 2 years that it makes me quick to believe they weren't much interested in the in the game in the first place. On the other hand they could just have been looking for a reason to jump into WoW without being looked down upon by there GW mates. Theres your ferry, catch it before it leaves guys!

I've put in 3-4k hours in GW and these changes make me quite randy. I'm wide open to any new changes Anet dares to throw at me. GW1 was an awesome game, but i think all of us know..it wasn't as good as it could be and did need some changes. I personally cannot take anymore mini chapters spawning from Prophecies, now that would make me ill.

I'm tired of killing Shiro and only being able to play the storyline one way, I'm up for anything they can dish out. I beg of Anet to give me a challenge, makes some changes. All these changes is whats keeping me in the GW boat. I'm just here to have fun.

If you guys are worried so much about changes and how GW2 is gonna be different then life is gonna be beautiful for you. Theres only 1 rule you have to follow ----> Don't buy EN nor GW2. Just stick with GW1 if you think Anet doesn't need to grow, improve or change..cause I'm fairly confident that GW1 will not change much from here on out.

But for me : ) I would have to say ..yeah it sucks I can't take my characters over to GW2. I'll live another day. If I like GW1 enough to play 3k+ hours, then why wouldn't i trust the creators of GW1 to revamp it and give us a new playground and set of monkey bars to hang upside down on.

If your logical then think of it this way..

Why waste so much time and money trying to fix an old car when you can just trade it in for a new one. Old car = GW1 New car = GW2
Can't say it any simpler than that.

I got a lot out of that old car but I think the seat's gonna a bit more comfy in the new one.

Reading some of these posts also reminded me of the term "/ragequit".

I'm gonna "waste" some more time on useless characters in DoA while impatiently awaiting the arrival of EN and eventually GW2, in whatever shape or form it comes in.

Malibu Illusion · Mar 21, 2007, 09:00 AM // 09:00

Oh man, I sure didn't see this coming. Very disappointed with the direction that the devs have chosen to take this game, if I wanted to play a game like they're designing, I'd be playing WoW already. As it stands, it sounds like WoW 2 rather than GW 2, to be honest.

As for no character transfers, that takes the cookie.

Oh well, back to Ultima Online for me as of now. Not worth even continuing to play Guild Wars 1 now. Nice. =P GW is about to go from an interesting and innovative game into just another WoW clone; I'm afraid we're literally seeing a poor man's WoW being crafted right in front of our very eyes unfortunately, and no amount of their 'selling' from the community reps can disguise that fact.

All I can say is 'good luck' to the people wanting to stick around. I know lots of people, like me, who play GW for its innovative and different qualities over the current market are going to be driven away.

eightyfour-onesevenfive · Mar 21, 2007, 09:02 AM // 09:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

I want to be able to read the article when it comes out in the UK before I start worring needlessly.

Experience has taught me to not worry at all.

I start to sound like a broken record here, because it's basically the same with every major announcement - be it big update, expansion pack or in this case, game sequel. People act as if it's the end of the world. And they don't do this only with Guild Wars, I've seen just the same back in the late 90's with Ultima Online. With every major change to the game, people proclaimed it's death. Guess what, the game is still up and running as of today! Of course by not a popular as it once was (hey, it's 9 years old now), but it is not dead.

Sure, gaming companies don't get everything right every time. There is no possible way they can. They can't make it right for everybody. But they will try. Companies like Anet know very well what their customers want and what they don't want. Why would they implement something that a majority of their customers don't like? The want to sell their product. They won't be able to sell it to dissatisfied customers. But it seems people always assume just that. Sometimes I just don't get people.

Demilikos · Mar 21, 2007, 09:03 AM // 09:03

After years of not posting, I'll finally post.

Please keep up with the quality work you've been giving us thus far ArenaNet. I've been with you since the beginning and Guild Wars 1 has changed a lot from its original concept. I hope you do the same with Guild Wars 2 and evolve the game in the best way suited for pleasing everyone, as that always seemed your true target audience.

Arkor Demilikos

ArielEzekiel · Mar 21, 2007, 09:06 AM // 09:06

With regards to Guildwars 2 ("GW2"), I will like to take a more business/marketing-like approach in approaching the issues that I am going to discuss. In my opinion, this will best satisfy both the objectives of the company producing Guildwars as well as the demand of the GW Population.

General

As it seems now, it is apparent that GW 2 is created to rival and to gain an edge over World of Warcraft ("WoW"). This can be seen in features such as:

Playable races
Predominately open worlds
high [100-plus], or possibly no level cap

While I have nothing against copying another game's mechanics to improve this current game as this is what the modern corporate world has been doing all along, I cautioned the developers of GW to be mindful of the unique features that the existing GW has.

By taking away some of GW's unique features and incorporating features from other games would mean the company is trying to absorb/attract the players' base from the other game but at the same, the company will run the risk of losing its current players' base. Is it a wise choice in the end?

GW2's PvP having an edge over WoW

With the new changes in GW2, I have no doubt that PvP players from WoW will be prepared to abandon WoW to play GW2. The reasons being:

The improvements stem out the flaws of WoW's PvP system
The Free to Play (F2P) factor

Bringing achievements over

This is definitely a move in the right direction. It is pretty much a politically astute move, similar to a general election. It will keep the majority of the population happy.

Playable races

In terms of PvE, I believe this is always a welcome move. In terms of risk assessment, I can only say that this is only for the better. More individuality and variety does improve the overall gameplay. Perhaps more races will be welcome although I can already see that more races will mean more expansion to purchase. I have got to admit that is a reasonable business strategy.

Predominately open worlds

In my opinion, the developers have to be very careful about this issue. One of the very reason why the current players' base chose this game is because we do not have other players 'spawn-camping', 'disturbing and annoying other people' in the current non-open worlds we have.

I dare say this is one of the unique features of the current GW.

A move to a predominately open worlds sounds a noble ambition but it will lose that part of GW's unique identity. Will GW2 be able to keep hold of the population that embraces that unique identity more than the concept of open worlds which almost all MMORPG possess?

In addition, more players in an open world will inevitably result in more lag.

These are all something the developers have to sit down and think about.

high [100-plus], or possibly no level cap

Once again, this seems to be a mimick of WoW and of most MMORPG.

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I really don't see how having a higher level cap equates to "grinding." Seriously -- I've played games with caps, without caps, with caps that the devs raised over the years, and everything in between.

As a gamer, I think I sort of like the ability to get higher numbers, even if it only shows my investment, my time spent in the game. Now, surely it's true that someone may have lots of lower-level characters, and that player may have achieved more and know more about the game than a player with a single high-level character. It's not, in my opinion, anything like, "My level 50 is 'better' than your level 20." Or, "I'm all that because I was the first to reach Level X."

I just sort of like that feeling of having been around for a while, or "veterancy." It sort of ties in with how much I like the Divine Aura, and the birthday presents, and the first year's Halloween items and with the fact they're only owned by those of us who were here, 'way back then. Each of those things seem to show a history, and for some, that's a very cool thing.

With all due respect to you, Gaile, your answer seems both politically correct and correct in the business sense. However, the level cap is a unique feature of GW and I have no doubt that many people are playing GW because it is easy to get to max level and they can try out numerous professions.

The developers must bear in mind that working adults play GW as well and working adults are the ones with alot of real-world money but significantly lesser time.

Gaile, your statement is too simplistic and idealistic. Think about the discrimination of lower levels when getting into groups. After which, the indirect impact is, it will discourage people from running different profession and concentrate on only one profession and do aimless grinding. Will it cause more people to give up the game because they fall behind those grinders as time goes by?

I can see that most PvE players who play GW are not the grinding type and this is one of the reasons why they favor GW over other MMORPG, such as WoW.

I believe the developers would have to look at all this aspects before making any rash decisions.

Doubts over players' opinions

I have no doubt the players who gave their opinions are the ones who are more concerned BUT they are also usually the ones with more time to spare and grind. They are by no means conclusive of the opinions of the GW's population alone.

They are merely suggestions and the developers have to do their own risk-assessment in order to look at the viability of the proposals brought up.

Risk Assessment / Research

The question begs, what is the objective of the developers?

I would assume their objective should be and ought to be to make GW the most popular game and to increase the revenue of their company. (This is the objective of all companies)

Indirectly, this can only be achieved by using the utilitarian method which is to ensure the maximum amount of happiness among the players' base. Although both quantity and quality of happiness is important, in this case, quantity is more important. As such, the developers should look to changes that provides maximum happiness and minimum unhappiness amongst the GW players' population.

I certainly hope that the developers have engaged professional risk-assessment team to assess the impact that the changes will bring. (This is what companies and government do everytime a new proposal is up)

Whilst trying to absorb/share the pie of players' population in other MMORPG such as WoW is an astute business move but losing your current players' population, who favor the current unique features of GW, maybe counter-productive in the process. Of course, this will be very much dependent on how big the pie you gain from the other MMORPG and how big the pie you lose from your current players' population.

In conclusion, I urged and cautioned the developers not to make rash decisions, do a more objective research on the positive points on the unique factors of the current GW, do more risk-assessment, before making any rash moves which may end up in the company losing more than gaining.

Thank you for reading my long literature on this.

Regards,
Ariel.

Ninja Spectre · Mar 21, 2007, 09:07 AM // 09:07

YAY WOW2 is coming!!! except its called GW2 I dont know why they did that o0 weird...did you guys see that strange Asura character thingy with the pointy ears? thats soooo like WOW awesome I cant wait!!!
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10127497

Can I make my character green with pointy ears? and big muscles just like in WOW1 ....I cant waittt weeeee look at my happy attitude weeeee!!! I laugh at you anet! and all you people who cant see it happening...and theres many of you. I have such a positive attitude towards this!! so no one can flame me!! yaaaaaay!!! go Asura!!

synthjeno · Mar 21, 2007, 09:08 AM // 09:08

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Originally Posted by walmart_player

most of the people that like this new GW2 thing are the people that enjoy grinding lvls, PvErs. this is starting to sound like WoW, super high lvl caps, and in WoW the PvP is very very dumb. it is who has the best stuff wins, i think the people that will enjoy this are the people that are to cheap to pay for WoW now.

Well see in 2 years. Were talking basic game-mechanics here. How its implemented, thats the big question, and wont be answered soon. So just keep hugging GW and dont worry bout anything.
GW2 simply cant be the game everybody is waiting for. (it probably is mine, thank god)

Whoops almost made a WoW vs GW comment there. But thats sooo 2006.

/coffee